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  • revanninja

    revanninja FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold One who is judged by the

    #33570273 - 3 months ago

    In reply to JROY

    They might later down the line

  • SAmaster

    SAmaster

    #33570297 - 3 months ago

    In reply to ImmaThinkin

    I'm making a joke.

  • WrightKnight

    WrightKnight

    #33570307 - 3 months ago

    In reply to jVictor

    So it IS a case of him reading too much into the naming convention.  What a shocker.

  • JROY

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    #33570315 - 3 months ago

    In reply to WrightKnight

    No Miles and Monty did say that was the plan, they eventually just quietly dropped the idea and made no big announcement about. I thought they were just doing that to make each season sound fancier until I looked into it. DiMono wasn't wrong and honestly seeing as Vol 1-3 are known as The Beacon Arc the term Volume probably still serves a purpose.

  • revanninja

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    #33570316 - 3 months ago

    In reply to JROY

    Wright is actually talking about the narrative idea and being read too much into.

    Miles and Co may have meant something but the idea is a narrative being told by Ruby doesnt seem to be holding up.

  • WrightKnight

    WrightKnight

    #33570326 - 3 months ago

    In reply to revanninja

    It's not so much the idea that Ruby's recounting actual events, that can still happen, and I concede that.  The problem I had was with the other part of that claim, that she was effectively taking artistic license on top of that.  That's outright dangerous territory to wade in because we can no longer trust what we see to be what actually happened (from at least one character's perspective) when the framing device of Ruby recounting actual events requires her to be a Reliable Narrator, and it's a catch-all justification for any level of quality in fiction.  It's basically the literary equivalent of "God did it".  The only time you're really going to get away with that is in videogames, where you have a direct hand in the story being told as you play through the game, no matter what the framing device ends up being.  One big example of this is Mass Effect, being told by a grandfather to his grandchild generations in the future.  To them, some details might be lost to time and some distorted, but to the player, it is exactly as we see it because we had a direct hand in "writing" it.


    And if that actually turns out to be the case, then I'm outright walking away from RWBY.  Why should I bother watching when I cannot trust what I see to be the story being told?

  • SAmaster

    SAmaster

    #33570384 - 3 months ago

    In reply to WrightKnight

    In that scenario think of it like the mythical account of things. Like how George Miller says he likes to think of the Mad Max films as being the legends told by post-apocalyptic Australia rather than the actual events.

  • WrightKnight

    WrightKnight

    #33570403 - 3 months ago

    In reply to SAmaster

    Except that there's nothing to indicate that in the movie itself.  That's just his headcanon, kinda like how some people take a darker take on kid's shows like Ed, Edd and Eddy and say that they're all ghosts of kids from different era and that the cul-de-sac that they all live in is purgatory.  And as with RWBY, while she might be an Unreliable Narrator within the scope of the story being told, there's nothing to show that she's deliberately taking artistic license with the story, nor should she if it turns out that this is her telling her story after the fact.

    Perhaps if Miller wanted the Mad Max films to be the stuff of myth in that post-apocalyptic Australia, he should have been a little more clear on that in the movie itself.

  • revanninja

    revanninja FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold One who is judged by the

    #33570436 - 3 months ago

    I wonder how Miles must be feeling about all this.

    I just had a...delightfull conversation in the RWBY Create a character thread where I said Romeo and Juliet is a satire got told no in a super aggressive and mean way and then basically got noobed and the like when i am VERY clearly trying to not start a fight and avoid a long argument and being told no you started it and so on.

    I am FURIOUS over the treatment because most of it is bull and me trying to stay civil and people just esclating on me.


    And then it occured to me. This must be how Miles feels about Jaune and the RWDE BS. His stuff is being dragged through the mud with people acting like he is doing something he isnt and a bunch of other things and I cant help but feel the situation I just had occur was just like what Miles is going through.

    He cant respond because everyone is jumping down his throat and what he does respond with is being taken out of context or so heavily messed with its clearly not what he meant.


    So I am wondering how Miles feels about this. yes he is making mistakes but how much is what he honestly did and how much is what other people saying?

  • AAGGRESSS

    AAGGRESSS

    #33570439 - 3 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    iu was never quite sure if R and J was a satire or a cautionary tail of two stupid kids who mistake attraction for love, ruin their familys lives and kill themselves over being dramatic gits. Either way people who take it as a true romance...well this is why Twilight exists.

  • revanninja

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    #33570441 - 3 months ago

    In reply to AAGGRESSS

    I know you mean well but after the BS of early I dont want to discuss it. I am VERY clearly slandered in that and the funny part is people tell me the other guy oh that is just how he is he doesnt mean it like that but take me to task without the same befit of the doubt.

    I was just using it to compare to Miles and vent a little 

    Its Miles feelings I wanted to discuss because there has to be some BS going on with Miles and how people are treating RWBY.

  • HunterBlaine

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    #33570444 - 3 months ago

    In reply to revanninja


    Miles and Kerry both have an insane amount of pressure on them. I certainly don't envy them.

  • AAGGRESSS

    AAGGRESSS

    #33570449 - 3 months ago

    In reply to revanninja Sorry dood. hope you feel better soon.

  • revanninja

    revanninja FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold One who is judged by the

    #33570451 - 3 months ago

    In reply to AAGGRESSS

    I am VERY tempted to unfollow and just let it disappear.

    I don't do that so that should tell you how not happy I am with the situation and feel the whole thing is not okay.

    Nearly every comment is noobed even basic comments.

    From my phone 

  • Bumblebee4life

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    #33570480 - 3 months ago

    In reply to AAGGRESSS

    Hey at least Meyer has a better understanding of romance than el James but that's like saying that EA is better than konami... both suck but one sucks less.  

  • SAmaster

    SAmaster

    #33570510 - 3 months ago

    In reply to WrightKnight

    True there's no framing device, but i like the idea as it explains a lot of minor nighles.

  • SAmaster

    SAmaster

    #33570519 - 3 months ago

    In reply to revanninja

    It's not so much a satire, as it is not a romance: it's a tragedy. Which is why it doesn't work as a romance, it's not supposed to, it's meant to be a tragedy, as two families prejudices drive a young, dumb, and in love couple to suicide.

  • revanninja

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    #33570529 - 3 months ago

    In reply to SAmaster

    It's a satire because it makes fun of the then political views and beliefs the problem is that context is lost on most people

    Now sa you are not HELPING 

    From my phone 

  • WrightKnight

    WrightKnight

    #33570531 - 3 months ago

    In reply to SAmaster

    Ultimately, any author can say what they wanted their thing to be after the fact, but it still falls on them to depict that in some way in their work.  That's the problem I have with this, since it allows the author to essentially bullshit something to hand-wave some of their faulty writing gaffes.  Hell, six months after RWBY ends (being told as a straight story), Miles and Kerry could say that all of it was just a hallucination Ruby was having while in an asylum, and half this fanbase would smile, nod and blindly accept that.

  • SAmaster

    SAmaster

    #33570555 - 3 months ago

    In reply to revanninja

    Ah.

  • SAmaster

    SAmaster

    #33570556 - 3 months ago

    In reply to WrightKnight

    I'm not saying they should do that with Ruby, not at all. Just exploring the idea if RWBY were say a mythic legend.

  • DiMono

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    #33570572 - 3 months ago

    In reply to WrightKnight

    The only time you're really going to get away with that is in videogames, where you have a direct hand in the story being told as you play through the game, no matter what the framing device ends up being.

    Ahem...


    There's also a list on this page, and both lists include some that don't have voiceover narration, proving that that's not a prerequisite either. As well, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid has an unreliable narrator, as does Life of Pi. Whether a movie can get away with it depends entirely on how well it is written.

  • revanninja

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    #33570587 - 3 months ago

    In reply to DiMono

    Except and it's been awhile don't those make it VERY obvious tat is going on? Because that is what I recall but I can't check.

    From my phone 

  • WrightKnight

    WrightKnight

    #33570595 - 3 months ago

    In reply to DiMono

    I was referring to your entire claim, not just the Unreliable Narrator part in and of itself.  Conveniently ignored that part, didn't you?  I specifically meant the combination of BOTH the Unreliable Narrator and the idea that the narrator is taking artistic license on top of that.  Way to pick and choose your quotes to twist what I meant.

    I also never said a damn thing about a voice-over narration being a prerequisite, I have no idea where you got that notion from.

    Checking over that list, it's clear that the one common thing about all those films is that while the narrator is unreliable, the events they are narrating for did happen to their own perception.  To them, it happened that way.  What we are talking about is the case where the narrator is unreliable, the events didn't happen the way they say they did, and they are in full knowledge of that.  In this case, the depicted events are true in no one's perspective.

  • revanninja

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    #33570599 - 3 months ago

    In reply to WrightKnight

    Voice over is from me because I was pointing out the narrative isn't shown being from ruby at most narrative is Oz and salem that is more dialogue then narrative

    From my phone